@nuintari I'd default to yes, but more specific context would help. In a hospital waiting room? On a noisy, busy street?

@nuintari this reads like a tumblr poll.

@nuintari if you use speaker phone in public then the public is free to join the conversation

@nuintari very rude to those around you, also very rude to the person youre talking to if you dont ask for their consent first

@nuintari If you walk around on speaker phone holding it horizontally in front of your face, it takes all my energy to not slap that shit and smash it into the ground.

@nuintari Fark, I find talking on the phone at all quite rude. I actively seek out a private location for all calls.

#ActuallyAutistic

@nuintari
No, not rude at all.

In fact, using the speaker phone is less rude to me than talking on the phone in public without speaker.

I see very little difference with talking to my friend in public when they're physically there.

I'm flabbergasted what makes so many of you think there's a difference?

@nuintari Although talking into your phone in public, while not in speakerphone mode, would be about as rude.

#etiquette

@nuintari And in any case: You have a phone. You do not have to tell so the other person can hear you.

@nuintari It seems like a thing wine moms do.

@nuintari I think it depends on the content of the call and where you're calling from. Just outside in an open space and chit chatting, nah, not rude. But in a confined indoor space or on public transport and sensitive content, yeah, probably best to leave that call for when you're home.

@nuintari Not rude at all. There's zero difference between talking to a friend on the speaker or IRL.

@nuintari @tychotithonus
IMO: Very dependent on circumstances, esp how loud the speakerphone is, how close other people are, and acoustics in general. So, less “is it speakerphone” and more “are you being a disruptive annoyance?”

@nuintari it’s not just rude, it’s really dumb. Do people not understand that everyone around them can hear and are listening to the ENTIRE conversation? Have they told the party on the other side that they are in a public place? It always amazes me when people actually do this for business calls when a competitor might be sitting or standing in earshot. 🙄

@nuintari I voted no because I don’t think it’s speakerphone that makes it inherently rude, it’s conducting conversations of a type and place that doesn’t fit. Walking down a sidewalk on your way to the grocery store? Sure, whatever. Actually in the store, talking about getting a boil on your ass lanced? Yeah, no.

@nuintari speakerphone is allowed if the person can not hold the phone at their ear and can’t leave. For example, a plumber works the pipes. Their hands are busy and they can’t leave the pipes.

In all other cases I assume my inclusion is deliberate. Most of the time unnecessary but apparently my input is still required to the point I need to hear both participants.

@nuintari

One might argue that talking on the phone in public where people can only hear one side of the conversation is more rude than allowing them to hear both sides.

@nuintari and it's even ruder when it's on public transport.

@nuintari does this include video calls as well, like FaceTime or Teams? I ask because most people tend to not have headphones when they interact with these types of calls.

IMHO it’s lack of awareness, or disregard for other people’s peace. If you are in a public park with no one else around….sure, take aunt Susan’s speakerphone call, but if you are on a bus or at the grocery store…it’s just bad manners. Maybe that is the takeaway. You can do whatever you want until it begins to have adverse effects on other people, then it’s time to reconsider behaviors.

@nuintari it also breaches the privacy of the person on the other end of the line - if I'm phoning someone, I'd rather not have a bus load of random strangers forced to listen in, ta

@nuintari When I have no headphones I would set it on speakers because my hearings are pretty bad.
Doesn't help that folk are goddamn loud in public

@nuintari the speakerphone part is not relevant. I don't want to hear half your private conversation either.

@nuintari neither of these.

@nuintari Yes, very rude. OTOH I regard someone using a speakerphone as an invitation to random passers by to join in.

@nuintari
I don’t even like talking on phone in public, period. Unless it’s a very short and efficient conversation.

@nuintari
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/speakerphone-in-public-rude_l_6994ae05e4b0d22a80258114

@nuintari
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2019/07/26/how-to-confront-someone-talking-on-speakerphone-in-public/

@nuintari
https://www.today.com/life/phone-etiquette-rcna95939

@nuintari @RHW I use it discreetly. I need the speaker phone so that I can hear. I use talk to text, hold the phone very close, speak into it softly.

@nuintari Rather more clear than most poll results here. :)

@nuintari In Asia, I bet the results of this poll would be almost exactly inversed. The normal situation is people yelling into their phones on speakerphone – and it’s one of the worst parts of Asia, tbh.

@nuintari just a theory... but...

On television shows these days, they get everyone to talk on speaker phone because that way the audience can hear both sides of the conversation, especially reality and documentaries.

This might be accidentally normalizing that behaviour.

@nuintari I agree with the results, but I’d like to understand why it is different from two people talking in public. There must be something about the volume, the sound quality or the way a phone conversation is perceived in this rudeness production.

@nuintari I would say yes, but for work I use speakerphone as I need to see the screen info, I have a radio earpiece going off & the station is busy & loud.

@warandpeas In the future, we're going to refer to this stuff as "organic content" and you're going to pay a lot more for it.

@warandpeas "Cmon! 600 Token. All genuine. All good stuff. Look at this! All handwritten on paper, with a pencil! Man! A fricking Pencil!"

@warandpeas weird movies come to mind...

@warandpeas with Real Human(TM) grammar and spelling check!

@warandpeas The #AIpocalypse is coming

@warandpeas
YouTube has figured out that I'm not interested in all that AI crap and now only recommends videos that are more than four years old.
I love this AI! ❤️
EDIT: Translated using Deepl AI.

@warandpeas

Shouldn't it be AIpocalypse?

@warandpeas
This was really a war and I thank mastodon to strictl ai traces

@warandpeas Based. This makes me think of a song that I love dearly: "Those left standing will make millions,
Writing books on the way it should have been"

"Warning" by Incubus on their album "Morning View"

also:
"Floating in this cosmic Jacuzzi,
We are like frogs oblivious,
to the water,
starting to boil,
No one flinches, we all float face down"

Thank you for the wonderful art!

@warandpeas "You own it." "No subscription"

@warandpeas Yeah, but the trouble with street books is the dealers are cutting that shit with AI slop.

@warandpeas

I suspect we'll be back to storytelling around the fire for a while, too

@warandpeas #Fediverse 😀

@warandpeas It's already happening. A lot of people are advertising their stuff as "made by a real human" or "no AI".

@GossiTheDog WTF. Covertly uploading actual screenshots from systems it's installed on?

This Vibing one is a fun blog btw as every page it gets to be a bigger version of this

@GossiTheDog

Seriously don't know what to make of this. Rogue employees, sailing under the Microsoft flag? Fake employees?

The app itself is terrifying and stupid. I can easily imagine naïve users interested in AI installing this thing and forgetting about it.

@GossiTheDog oh, it's pretty goddamn obvious exactly how this one happened.

See also: GitHub's official applications abruptly sprouting similar levels of spyware and calling it 'telemetry.'

@GossiTheDog I just reported it through Microsoft Store links. Let's see if anything comes out of it.

@GossiTheDog There is no oversight at the company.

@GossiTheDog cc @shanselman

@GossiTheDog for what it’s worth, the package family name of this thing is YaoyaoChang.Vibing_ssp53fcyfr9ha - in my opinion it doesn’t seem to look like anything “official”, but rather an employee releasing it on their own partner center account?

@GossiTheDog Now that Microsoft has a 24/7 OpenClaw team in Oslo, I expect a lot more vibe artifacts appearing from within their network...
https://mstdn.social/@jukkan/116449605862675745

@GossiTheDog 😱

@neil where can I get one I absolutely need it

@neil I love this!! Where did you find it?

@neil oooh I love that t-shirt.

@neil where can I get one???

@neil “steal”

Alt...

You wouldn’t read a website

@neil tl;dr needs LLM summary

@neil want

@neil
tl;dr

@neil Got the same one! 👊

@neil - HOw true.

@neil I absolutely would if my immunity was guaranteed.

@neil I predict this will be as successful as the original anti-piracy campaign it's based from

@neil

They have been doing it with money for centuries.

@neil Oh yes they would

@neil Where can I buy these?

@neil Fucking Genuis!!!

@neil Looking forward to Muskrat and Sam Altman wearing the T-shirt.

@neil love it

@neil Proprietary and child-killing...

@nixCraft Love Linux, works well on older hardware, not a resource hog like windows...

@nixCraft This website is such an excellent rebuttal to the nonsensical parameters of the Californian law. Funny read!

@nixCraft love this, but the website is very US-centric. This age verification madness is sweeping the whole world.

@nixCraft
It's Unix - of course **EVERYONE** was born on 1970-01-01 !
@agturcz

@nixCraft Here's the #Debian #SystemDCensorD proposal, using D-Bus - "On installation, the user will be required to enter their location. ... This location and user data will be managed by a new daemon, systemd-censord, ... For example, ... a unit for China will implement keyword scans ... debian will need to switch to being a binary-only distribution ... with ... controls to prevent any non-signed software from being installed , written, or compiled, ..."

@debian

[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2026/03/msg00018.html

@nixCraft is this a joke? or i don't get it. when it requires first the download or e.g. debian, but debian itself requires the age check on install, how can ageless linux work, when you have to run the conversion script after the debian installation?

@nixCraft ok that finished to change my mind. Thanks.

@nixCraft I love this solution, but what are the plans for hardware providers? I feel like companies that offer Linux pre-installed will be the ones on the hook for ensuring the age verification is there. Will there be California editions that come with no OS?

@nixCraft linux can’t fundamentally do age verification because how it’s built into the system to be local by default and even if something was made you could literally strip it out of the source code so even if a company like Ubuntu added it into something a dev team like Linux Mint would remove that crap anyway.

The law makers really are showing their age being out of touch with technology like my mother and grandmother.

@nixCraft
Where I can catch up on the context?

Interesting to see how many people are born on 1970-01-01.

@nixCraft

@nixCraft @rogue_cells This is fantastic

@nixCraft

Or comply in the worst way.

aged. Age daemon.

Reads ~/config/age.conf for self-set date of birth.

Thats it.

@ncopa which kind of resources, build infrastructure or manpower?

@ncopa Debian dropped armv6 support. So there is not much left.

Is Alpine still using 32bit time_t?

@ncopa In the embedded/industrial space I'm still seeing a surprising amount of ARM9 and expect those to go on quite a while, but that'd be v5, so even older. v7 seems like a more sensible target for Alpine 32bit support than trying to keep that /and/ v6 on life support together.

@ncopa keep arm v7 its raspi 3

@ncopa I have AlpineLinux on an RPi 1 running pi-hole (head-less). More efficient and such a nice experience compared to RaspberryOS.

@ncopa i wonder how apk would react if an edge system were to upgrade an upstream had no packages for it. i say that because i upgraded my pi0w 1.1 to edge because i was trying to get mdns to work and i read that avahi2dns and unbound worked.

@ncopa Removing armv7 would have major impact on postmarketOS as we still have many people actively working on devices with such CPUs. On the contrary armhf is pretty much dead.

@babe I don’t know what those are. :)

@babe who are these heretics voting custard creams?

Are they all non Brits who think this is some kind of cold set dessert vs whiskey battle?